Give me a couple hours with half a dozen Percodans and the two churning brunettes and I might be ready for last rites

hey we all gotta go sometime and that beats hell outta collapsing in the laxative aisle or gettin squashed by your own golfcart.

In my all my years of visiting WinCustomize I've never witnessed the kind of crap we are getting here since this JU merger. You JU people like living in the gutter, so be it, but I'm getting really pissed off at WC being dragged down there with you.

How many more people are going to leave the site before something is done about this

Don't insult JU over this. Complain to Brad. We JoeUsers have no choice when our blogs are automatically posted on WC. What I am sick of over here on this end is WC whiners that keep complaining to us when they should be directing their complaints to Brad.

1...i was under the impression you had control over how your blogs showed up here .. for that i appoligize..

2...

The principals of JU as repeatedly laid down by the owner were violated, namely that "offensive" content will be removed from the forums if necessary but that the editing of the comments is for the person who owns the thread to decide.

... from this statement it was within the admins full rite to delete the posted comments .. but instead just removed the swear words .the admin did not diminish the posters context of the post ...i think he was being quite kind ..

3. until there is a way for you all to controll how the boards are crossed over .. i would sugest maybe checking to see if the thread is crossed with WC .. that way you can maybe choose your wording more appropriately, if it is infact showing here on WC ...


Dharma .. i hear ur plight ... i have not had my identity stolen .. but have none the less had enemys do things on the net i could have sought legal recourse for ....good luck with the fight ...

Frankly, Fuzzy, some of us stopped coming to the WC boards and IRC chat to get out of the "gutter"...

Please, folks, if you aren't interested in the main topic, don't post. Dharma didn't ask for your bullshit to bleed over onto her blog. If you want to bitch about JU, knock yourself out, on your own blog...

P.S. Dharma, evidently it is the "Internet" section that is automagically mirrored over there. My suggestion would be to move this from "internet" to "blogging" or some other section that isn't mirrored on Wincustomize. Cuts down on the all-caps, l33tspeak and bored techno-jaded comments.

... from this statement it was within the admins full rite to delete the posted comments

Nope, because " the person who owns the thread" is Dharma. Look, Brad -- the owner of the site -- wouldn't have edited it. Doesn't that tell you something? The principal laid down is to move it off the WC forums. That is the recourse. That is the tool the moderators have been given. Why is that so hard to accept?

We're not saying he didn't have a right to act on something he felt was inappropriate, we're just saying he took the wrong action, an action we've been repeatedly told will not be taken.

I also notice you convienently ignore "the admin I wrote agreed with me that editing the thread was improper."

Sheesh. This is my last comment (unless you just can't let it drop and say something so asinine I can't help but respond) because a) I'm just saying the same thing over-and-over, totally off-topic, c) you people can't read. Arrrrgh!

Dharma, evidently it is the "Internet" section that is automagically mirrored over there

That and the computing categories. Maybe we should all just start posting everything -- no matter the content -- to the "blogging" category as a form of protest.


I agree with Jesse. I wish you WCers who hate us so much would form a protest group and demand the JU cross posting be ended. (There is no truth to the rumour we are just trying to annoy you to the point you do so. Bwahahahaha.)

That is the tool the moderators have been given

Incorrect. I have no way of moving this thread anywhere. The only tools I have are Delete, Hide and Lock. If I used any of those I'd get accused of being a heavyhanded xxxxxxx (edited by me...)

Anyway, this thread went off topic 50 posts ago and should be cl... well, that's another matter

 

Fuzzy, while I know this gets mirrored on a messageboard, you on someone's blog right now. Click that link and you might gain some insight as to why WC critics get such a cold welcome. To you, you are on your messageboard, to others, we're on someone else's blog.

If you have a problem with the fact this is showing up at WC, great, complain. I think dharma will move it out of the internet section when she looks in. In the meantime, please, respect the fact that this isn't your discussion to "manage". If you aren't interested in the topic, why are you here in the first place?

Every now and then I see someone's name I haven't seen in ages, and they are usually saying something like "WTF are you complaining about, none of us want to hear about this...", and most of the time it is some dipstick at WC that doesn't realize they are crapping on someone's blog, instead of handing out the traditional vigilante justice of the WC messageboard and IRC...

Not move, just remove from WC.

The only tools I have are Delete, Hide and Lock.

I don't know the process for removing it from WC without affecting it on JU, but it can be done because I've seen it done. (Hide, maybe?) Are there are people over there with Admin status that have stronger tools?

Ask Brad or Angela how to do it. (If it was me, I'd start a blog/thread from the JU side and play with it on the WC side to see what the effects were. Experimentation is fun.)

(Just for the record.. you're comment wasn't asinine. So I should have kept my mouth shut. )

I've been told on IRC that a option to syndicate to JU forum without it going to WC will be added. I don't know when it will be added, but the only solution I was told ws not to syndicate to the JU forum until that option is added, but I do like the idea of just sticking blogs that belong in section shared by WC to blogging instead until that opt out option is added.

Dharma

Who do you think is doing this? We all know who your suspecting of doing it, but do you really think that they would waste their energy doing it? They have said it now many times that it isnt them, im sure if they did do it then they would be honest about it. If anything Sabrina is honest, yes brutaly sometimes but often that is a good thing. It makes us think about what is happening around us, gives us a different perspective and shifts our consciousness a little so that we can experience life more fully from our own perspective and others as well.

Im sure that there are people much closer to home with access to your information that might be the cause of it all??

Im not going to take sides here and I think it is really important to think about not assuming who did it until you really know for sure. It just brings up too much other stuff that you really dont need to be dealing with, especially now.

Sure dont let it drop if it is making you feel this way, but really do you want to be burning further the bridges that are causing you so much anger inside?

You know one thing which I have admired in you is your strength through tough times, when the people around you arent there you have always managed to pick yourself up and make things work for you, and it has somehow helped you to learn alot about yourself. All of which is a great thing in the end.

It's really important dont you think that you try and work things out with people who "seem" to be your enemy? Why is all this happening in the first place? Is it a lack of communication? A misunderstanding about certain issues? Sure if we dont agree with the way people live or act then we dont have to participate in it, but isnt it even more important to try and resolve what is causing the suffering before it develops into more suffering? Shouldn't we be seeking to cause the end of suffering?

Im not asking you to give in or give up, Im asking you to really think about what is happening, what is really important to you, what is really important to your growth and heart. If we dont start with ourselves and what is causing the suffering close to us then the suffering of the world will never be able to be solved.

Come to the table. This would be much more productive.

Just so you know I don't have the tech savy or the bitterness to do anything like that. And so far as I know I've only seen one person use that word in reference to another blogger. (and it wasn't Sabrina) No, I know you wouldn't do anything like that....and Myrrander doesn't have my home email address, or my home phone number. He only has my yahoo and gmail. Like I said, there are three people who use that address to email me about things other than bills and payments. Oh nope, I take that back...there are four. So, four people. That word, that phrase, was used on LW's thread, just so you know.

Well I am that technicaly savy and I'm here to tell you that unless you machine has some *serious* software on it you are open to hacker attacks. And they can get ALL the info you mentioned right off your computer (IE: home phone, address and email address). Any time you order from the internet a copy of the info passed is kept on your machine. A secure server only means that passed info should not be able to be intercepted (and even that is not 100%). A firewall is needed and not all are created equal. You need to be 100% sure before you start accusing someone. What your saying is coming dangerously close to libel.

To clear up policy, and to hopefully end this debate on Dharma's thread-

Both WC and JU forums are moderated.  WC is a "PG13" site, and JU moderates to what is outlined in our TOU.

The author of a thread has the right to delete comments, and to not show a thread on the forums.  A JU moderator can hide a thread from the forums and a WC moderator can hide a thread.  If a WC moderator hides a JU thread, then it stay s on JU.

For clarification, in the TOU it states:

(a) upload, post or otherwise transmit any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, pornographic, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;
( harm minors in any way;

Some swear words are not permitted, and may be moderated by an admin.  For instance, the "F" word, can be moderated.  Things that you can hear on prime time shows or on the radio are typically not moderated.

The case is not about moderation, it's about how it was moderated.  Editing content is much different than hiding it.  We are working on making the moderation process better for the moderators and admins. 

There is a *huge* difference between WC and JU.  People are typically a lot more civil to each other on WC, so that is why it is hard for the WC moderators to know what to do.

On either site you should assume that a 13 year old is reading it.  And you should write what is appropriate for a 13 year old to write.  (Don't start with the "they can hear that in school".  I said "appropriate" for a reason).

I don't agree with editing comments.  I tend to just hide threads, or delete the entire comment if the comment is useless and egregious.

 

ou need to be 100% sure before you start accusing someone. What your saying is coming dangerously close to libel.

Dude, get your legal knowledge straight before you come here and tell me I'm coming close to libel. I work with the law every day, I know what libellous words and slanderous speech are and this doesn't even come close. There have been few mentions of any names on this thread, and I wasn't the one who name-dropped. By your definition, anyone could sue for even an insinuation...that's not the case.

The things that most people are overlooking is the amount of knowledge this person had. There are very few people who have ALL the information, ie my home phone number, my new cell phone number, my street address and my home email address....and there are even fewer of them who have the knowledge or the motive to do something as malicious as this. The person that did this had ALL the above information and also had a motive and the appropriate knowledge.

P: What kind of response would you have had if I had said those words to you when you were going through the entire SPM fiasco? I DID email her way back at the start of the year, and all I got in return was an email entitled 'C&%T Power'....so don't talk to me about bringing anything to the table. Peace making involves 2 parties, you know. I did my part...when has she done hers?