One simple question....

Published on August 2, 2004 By dharmagrl In Misc

I'd like to pick your brains on this one...

...if the christian majority can accept that people are born with defects, conditions and differences...and that it's not their fault they were born that way....why is it that homosexuality is seen as a 'choice'? That, to me, is like saying that a person is schizophrenic by choice, or near sighted by choice.

So, gimme your opinions.....

Comments (Page 4)

messybuu

on Aug 03, 2004

Who's the extremist? The only Christians I've seen post don't seem to be that extreme at all.

Poetmom99

on Aug 03, 2004

This is why I am loathe to present a Christian position. The extremists pop out of the woodwork and make a true Christian position look looney.

I was just thinking the same thing. Whatever happened to "Love thy neighbor as thyself" and "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and all those other verses about love and acceptance?

dharmagrl

on Aug 03, 2004

Whatever happened to "Love thy neighbor as thyself" and "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and all those other verses about love and acceptance?

Selective verse choosing. They only apply to things that you approve of, it seems.

Poetmom99

on Aug 03, 2004

I'm positive that many of the same people stating that blaming homosexuals for their homosexuality tendencies is like blaming a schizophrenic for their schizophrenia have no problem treating rapists, pedophiles, serial killers, animal fuckers, etc. like inhuman monsters, even though nobody in their right mind would ever do such terrible things or choose such a terrible lifestyle.

"In their right mind" is the operative phrase there, though.....are you trying to say that homosexuals are in that same category, and are not in THEIR right minds? That's certainly what it sounds like, and I find that even more ridiculous than saying that it's a choice.

messybuu

on Aug 03, 2004

You do realize that the Bible consists of more than those few verses that you selectively selected, right? Besides, people interpret verses differently.

For example, Wiccans have a law: "Do what ye will, yet harm none." Now, a Wiccan will probably say that they obey it, even if they hurt animals through consumption or fashion, even if they hurt children through purchasing products made in sweatshops, and even if they hurt artists by piracy. Of course, it'd be more prudent if I tried to understand their interpretation of it as well as the entirety of the writings rather than my interpretation and a few selective quotes.

dharmagrl

on Aug 03, 2004

You do realize that the Bible consists of more than those few verses that you selectively selected, right? Besides, people interpret verses differently.

Yes, I do realize that, and you just made one of my points.

As a former practicing witch, I know all about the Wiccan Rede, thank you very much.

messybuu

on Aug 03, 2004

So, homosexuals never say that they'd be heterosexual if they could, and they never say that nobody in their right mind would choose such a lifestyle? They might not be the exact words used, but I'm positive that the words used by them are similar.

messybuu

on Aug 03, 2004

Yes, I do realize that, and you just made one of my points.

Which point?

As a former practicing witch, I know all about the Wiccan Rede, thank you very much.

The point is not whether you know the Wiccan Rede. The point is that one shouldn't selectively choose verses and treat their interpretations as the only right ones, especially when they do not even subscribe to the belief.

CS Guy

on Aug 03, 2004

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

For far too many people it is more like "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you as long as they are like you."

dharmagrl

on Aug 03, 2004

The point is that one shouldn't selectively choose verses and treat their interpretations as the only right ones, especially when they do not even subscribe to the belief.

You assume too much. I used to teach Sunday School, fyi. I was very active in a number of churches for years (different denominations)... I made an informed decision to leave.

My point was about different people interpreting the same things different ways, but everyone claiming that their interpretation is the 'right' one.

CS guy makes a very good point.

Poetmom99

on Aug 03, 2004

So, homosexuals never say that they'd be heterosexual if they could, and they never say that nobody in their right mind would choose such a lifestyle? They might not be the exact words used, but I'm positive that the words used by them are similar.

Actually, I've never heard one say they would be heterosexual if they could....or imply that they are not in their right mind. I have heard them ask those who claim it is a CHOICE why anyone would ever CHOOSE it, with the way society treats them.....but that's not the same at all.

For far too many people it is more like "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you as long as they are like you."

Too true, unfortunately.

messybuu

on Aug 03, 2004

You assume too much. I used to teach Sunday School, fyi. I was very active in a number of churches for years (different denominations)... I made an informed decision to leave.

I met somebody online who was a Christian for thirty years, yet the way in which she'd interpret life and the Bible was far different than how many of the Christians I know would do. I'd say that her resume counted for very little. At best, she once understood the perception that her specific sect had.

My point was about different people interpreting the same things different ways, but everyone claiming that their interpretation is the 'right' one.

It appears that you have your own interpretation of the Bible that you fault the Christians for not following though. At least from your comments about those specific verses you selected to the comment about the Biblical ban on shellfish.

This is simply semantics. I can't seem to find a choice other than homosexuality besides heterosexuality, except for bisexuality, which I accept is an option they would choose if they could.

Shovelheat

on Aug 03, 2004

Personally, I could care less who people sleep with. Where my neighbor puts his cock or tongue I don't see as being any off my business, really. But if hair splitting is important then I think that to know the difference on a (supposed) issue and act contrary to it is wrong, i.e. if your schizophrenic and refuse to take your medicine or near sighted and refuse to wear glasses or alcoholic and continue to drink. Just because I can say "fuck" in front of a bunch of little old ladies doesn't mean I HAVE to. But then, a person has to make up their own minds on the "rightness" or "wrongness" of homosexuality.
Here's my question: Who would you rather meet in traffic at 70 m.p.h. at two in the morning, the alcoholic that just consumed 18 Budweisers or some dude who just gave his lover head? I'll take the gay guy...

Shovelheat

on Aug 03, 2004

Personally, I could care less who people sleep with. Where my neighbor puts his cock or tongue I don't see as being any off my business, really. But if hair splitting is important then I think that to know the difference on a (supposed) issue and act contrary to it is wrong, i.e. if your schizophrenic and refuse to take your medicine or near sighted and refuse to wear glasses or alcoholic and continue to drink. Just because I can say "fuck" in front of a bunch of little old ladies doesn't mean I HAVE to. But then, a person has to make up their own minds on the "rightness" or "wrongness" of homosexuality.
Here's my question: Who would you rather meet in traffic at 70 m.p.h. at two in the morning, the alcoholic that just consumed 18 Budweisers or some guy who just gave his lover head? I'll take the gay guy...

citahellion

on Aug 03, 2004

I can't seem to find a choice other than homosexuality besides heterosexuality, except for bisexuality, which I accept is an option they would choose if they could.

Perhaps you're not trying hard enough. Bestiality, necrophilia, pederasty, autoeroticism, and castration are some choices just off the top of my head. Do you think they should choose any of those instead?

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