I think we've already discussed this one in Capt.'s article. Or at least tried to. Like I said, I doesn't bother me that people are homosexuals. I just believe that it's wrong. I even have homosexual friends. Of course i don't think what they're doing is right but I'm still going to be their friend.

~carebear~

I had a Christian try to tell me yesterday that Christianity was a way of life - not a religion...

moral of the story - Christians have no idea what they are talking about

Apparently their faith and the rules they live by are circumstantial - i.e. the circumstances have to suit them.

BAM!!!

But if you can accept that people are prone to depression and it's not their fault, or they're allergic to shellfish and it's not their fault....then why is homosexuality considered a choice and 'wrong'?

That's like saying that being shorter than average is 'wrong' or having acne is 'wrong'. 

mark this day on the calendar, Muggy my love....you got an insightful from me for that.

I just believe that it's wrong

why is it wrong? And what brought you to that conclusion?

why is it wrong? And what brought you to that conclusion?

It's just what I believe. It's my opinion. Some people think it's right and some think it's wrong. Nothing I can do about it.

~carebear~

You know Dharma from my experience the people who have a great issue with homosexuality usually have something in their closet that they are hiding.

Ill give you an example.

My ex was married for many years. (to a woman) and his best friend (a woman and also christian) tried to tell him that his feelings for men were wrong etc because of the bible. Well low and behold this friend of his now is a lesbian.

It's just what I believe. It's my opinion

But isnt there something that causes you to believe that? Or are you believing blindly? Carebear. Ill tell you something from great experience. Your beliefs will come around sometime in your life to test you. Some situation in your life will arise where you will question your beliefs and believe me you will need an answer to why you believe it otherwise it will show itself up to be empty.

It might be that they don't believe that homosexuality is something they can't control. Even if it there is a natural tendancy toward homosexuality (which I still find debatable due to the infamous identical twins not being of the same sexuality argument) , that does not mean that they cannot control it.
It's like with people with pedophilic tendancies. I happen to believe that people are born with those tendancies and do not develop them consciously (besides the fact that animals disregard age, I just don't think anybody would want to choose such a disgraceful lifestyle that could exile them from society). However, they still have control over whether or not to act on them.

moral of the story - Christians have no idea what they are talking about Apparently their faith and the rules they live by are circumstantial - i.e. the circumstances have to suit them.

Muggaz, as a blogger I respect I would really appreciate it if you didn't turn this into a Christian bashing thread. Dharma asked an honest question, and it is not in good form (and, frankly, it doesn't become you...you're far too intelligent to resort to such sniping). It's also ignorant of the fact that Christian theologians cannot be pinned down to a single set of beliefs...EVERY belief that is true of any branch of Christianity is contested by another, the only common denominators they have are: does God exist and? Is Christ real?

To answer your question, dharma...there is some debate on whether homosexuality is a choice or not. Interestingly enough, the homosexual community itself uses terminology in much of their literature as to "lifestyle choices" that support that camp. You could respond with graph after graph "proving" it was genetic, and another could respond with graph after graph "proving" it was a choice. In all likelihood, neither side would convince the other.

As for me, I do believe it is a choice. But I also support the right of responsible adults to make choices I don't agree with.

But isnt there something that causes you to believe that? Or are you believing blindly?

The thing that causes me to believe that is my church. I guess I can say that I'm willing to bend that rule a little too in saying that I don't care if my homosexual friends decide to be that way. Maybe I am believing blindly who knows. And I'm sure that one day it will test me, and then who knows, maybe I'll see things differently.

~carebear~

As for me, I do believe it is a choice.

Are you gay Gideon? Have you ever had homosexual tendancies?

I dont expect you to answer these questions, but I think that unless you are or have then noone can really understand. I have known I was gay since the age of 9. I have never found a woman to be sexually attractive ever and it really doesnt interest me in the slightest to have sex with a woman. Do you think that is a choice? No it isnt a choice because I would have loved to have been born heterosexual and enjoy the same rights as heterosexuals, it would have saved me alot of hassles growing up.

But Im not. And it is very weird for me to think anything different.

Are you gay Gideon? Have you ever had homosexual tendancies? I dont expect you to answer these questions, but I think that unless you are or have then noone can really understand. I have known I was gay since the age of 9. I have never found a woman to be sexually attractive ever and it really doesnt interest me in the slightest to have sex with a woman. Do you think that is a choice? No it isnt a choice because I would have loved to have been born heterosexual and enjoy the same rights as heterosexuals, it would have saved me alot of hassles growing up. But Im not. And it is very weird for me to think anything different.

Phoenix, I respect you very much as a blogger and a person. But my beliefs have a very solid basis...I don't go into debates on this subject because, frankly, feelings get hurt, and I truly do not wish to be a party to that. I also understand the hatred and anger that you have likely had thrust upon you by many Christians who believe as I do; I will say frankly, that attitude is not a Christian attitude and that it appalls me that those individuals represent themselves as such.

In short, I'm going to agree to disagree with you on this subject, and kindly ask that you do the same. I was only answering dharma's blog because it was an honest question on her part and deserved an honest answer.

The thing that causes me to believe that is my church.

carebear,

While I know you are sincere as a Christian, I would encourage you not to operate solely on the words of the church. Examine the scriptures and decide for yourself what God has to say on the matter. Speak with leaders of your church and ask them to explain why they teach as they do; it will help you grow in your faith.

And, you are definitely doing the right thing in respecting your friends that happen to be homosexual. Hatred of any person is not consistent with a Christian attitude.

I will say frankly, that attitude is not a Christian attitude and that it appalls me that those individuals represent themselves as such. In short, I'm going to agree to disagree with you on this subject, and kindly ask that you do the same. I was only answering dharma's blog because it was an honest question on her part and deserved an honest answer.

Thanks Gideon. I respect you for that.