I shoudn't have watched that

Published on July 10, 2005 By dharmagrl In Current Events

I made the mistake of watching a clip of video shot from someone's camera phone on MSNBC this morning.

The person shooting was trapped in a tube train carriage next to one of the ones that exploded. The video shows rescue workers coming to evacuate people from the train.

It has sound too. Had I know what I was going to hear, I don't think I would have watched it.

People screaming for help. One voice very clearly screams "HELP........ME!!!!!!"

My god.

And so the terrible knowledge of what it was like down there finally sinks it. We pay lip service to the human toll, the people who died or were injured, we see the blood and the burns, but we are, in a way desensitized to it. At least I was.

Until this morning.

Comments (Page 1)

Manopeace

on Jul 10, 2005

Unfortunately I have seen those scenes way too often...right outside my front door. It is truly the greatest ugliness one can imagine...man's inhumanity to man.

MasonM

on Jul 10, 2005

I think far too many see and hear about these events without ever truly understanding the human tragedy. Casualties are just numbers. They forget that these are real people dying, maimed, in pain and extreme fear. That is what makes these things so horrific.

Perhaps more people need to see and hear these things to understand just how evil these acts truly are.

Manopeace

on Jul 10, 2005

Perhaps more people need to see and hear these things to understand just how evil these acts truly are.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

More people have to start acting to prevent these horrors from ever happening again. Take the word of those that DID see these horrors...I wouldn't wish it on anyone to witness them.

MasonM

on Jul 10, 2005

Mano, I agree that no-one should have to see these things, but perhaps if more people did they would better understand just how much these things need to be prevented.

Manopeace

on Jul 10, 2005

could be Mason....

dharmagrl

on Jul 10, 2005

Unfortunately I have seen those scenes way too often...right outside my front door.

I haven't, and that's why this affected me so much. I don't think you understand that this is, for me quite profound. It's something that I'm not going to forget, not ever. the sound of another human screaming in pain and fear, crying our for someone to help them....that hurts my heart. It wounds me.

Casualties are just numbers. They forget that these are real people dying, maimed, in pain and extreme fear.

Exactly. We don't see the full impact, we just see 'X number of people were killed'.

As I mentioned on my "Goodbye, Fort Walton Beach" thread, there seems to be no human tragedy that others wont use to make a political point,

I know, and that irritates me. For christ's sakes, not everything is about freakin' politics.

Manopeace

on Jul 10, 2005

I don't think you understand that this is, for me quite profound.

I understand it very well Karen... that's why I said I wouldn't wish seeing those things on anyone.
we have trauma centres here for people that have witnessed those horrors. It's just awful.... and

there seems to be no human tragedy that others wont use to make a political point,

that's unforgiveable.

dharmagrl

on Jul 10, 2005

that's unforgiveable.

But people still do it. You should have seen the Democratic Underground the other day after the London attacks....and the comments left on the blog of the man in Idaho who raped and killed those girls.

Manopeace

on Jul 10, 2005

But people still do it.

I know...its a sad testement to the state of the mentality of those people.

Dusk411

on Jul 10, 2005

There was a documentary shown about 9/11. It was originally supposed to be about a guy who was just becoming a fireman in New York.

There's a scene there you can hear the *pop* of people jumping onto the ground. It's disturbing, considering it's heard several times.

It's one thing to see a picture but it's quite another to actually hear sounds and watch the videotape.

Manopeace

on Jul 10, 2005

It's one thing to see a picture but it's quite another to actually hear sounds and watch the videotape.

My neighbours son was a passenger on one of the planes that crashed into the Towers...every time they show those videos on TV they have to relive their tragic loss...it is truly a nightmare for the survivors.

dharmagrl

on Jul 10, 2005

There's a scene there you can hear the *pop* of people jumping onto the ground. It's disturbing, considering it's heard several times.

That's the kind of experience I had watching this clip. It's just awful. I can't adequately describe the feelings it stirred in me. It makes me want to use pages of the koran as toilet paper.......

Trudygolightly

on Jul 10, 2005

Dharma: Seeing and hearing the atrocities does indeed wound one's heart. I'm so sorry you're hurting,

I was at the Mpls. St.Paul International airport one day and a woman was struck by a car, she was struck and then pinned
by it and her screams still echo in my mind sometimes. Not the same thing, it's just the sounds are similar and sad.

There was a documentary shown about 9/11. It was originally supposed to be about a guy who was just becoming a fireman in New York.

I saw that, it was awful to hear the sounds when a person landed or rather crashed through glass, or hit the floor. Wasn't it his first
day on the job too?
Here in Mn we just got mass transit up and going and now I wonder if these events will affect ridership and with the government
shutdown we just had, what changes might be made for safety there.

Manopeace

on Jul 10, 2005

It makes me want to use pages of the koran as toilet paper.......

I know you better than that Karen...I know that you really don't mean that. Those that truly believe in the Holy Scriptures of the Koran are not responsible for those attrocities.

stutefish

on Jul 10, 2005

Dharma, I'm curious: has the experience changed your mind at all, about the problem of terrorism or how to solve it? Or do you remain steadfast in the conclusions you've already reached on those issues?

I'm not saying this should change your mind, any more than a General's first-hand knowledge of the carnage of war should change his mind about the necessity of assaulting enemy strongholds.

I'm just curious, really.

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