I agree. I think it is more likely that the terrorist group did make the film, but Mr. Berg was probably dead before the filming of the beheading.

I do not know about Ms. England, however pictures are images that capture one moment in time w/o context. We have to interpret the pictures and the context. I also think that she is becoming a scapegoat for the abuses. I have a hard time beleiving that she did everything they say. We should tread lightly with our acusations. We do not want another Sarah Good.

IG

You agree that the tape is fake?  That it's a government consipracy? Perhaps I didn't make myself clear:   I think that it's stretching the imagination a little too far (to say the least) to imply or even come right out and say that it's a government conspiracy.

As for Ms England....she is being villified, that I'll agree with (and I've been guilty of it too).  I think there are a few reasons for it: she's female, and women are supposed to be the 'fairer, gentler sex' not torturers and sadists; she's pregnant by her immediate supervisor - a big 'no-no' in the military; she appeared in those photos to be enjoying the heck out of/having a pretty good time with those naked Iraqi's (note I said she appeared to be, not that she was); the additional photos of the abuse Congress was shown this week included "numerous" photos of Lynndie having sex with "numerous" partners; and finally she has the unfortunate luck of being from West Virginia, a state people like to joke about with regards to 'inbreeding' and 'rednecks'.

Isn't it strange how photographic evidence when it's being used against someone is described as "one moment in time without context", but when it's being used in someone's defense is more often described as "conclusive" or maybe even "irrefutable"?

 

 

IG: The thing is she's not denying that she did those things--simply saying that it wasn't her fault because she was ordered. It's hard to have sympathy for her when shes says she doesn't think they did anything wrong. I'm disturbed that she doesn't realize that what she did constitutes abuse.

As for the conspiracy idea: I haven't and don't plan on seeing the tape, so I really can't comment on whether or not it is authentic. However, I have hard time buying the idea that government would do this because if they did it would be sure to backfire.

Perhaps I misspoke. If the tape is a fake, I think it was more likely created by the terrorists and not our government. Please, I am not one of those conspiracy buffs. I have not seen it either, but I think it is a stretch that our government would create such a thing.

With regard to Ms. England, yes, she is not denying what she did, true, but she may not have seen the additional pictures that the senators have viewed. She may only have knowledge of the ones we have viewed. IF military intelligence is involved, she may not have know she was being photographed (regarding the pictures we have not seen).

IG
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Please, I am not one of those conspiracy buffs

Phew!  Thank goodness for that, IG! 

"women are supposed to be the 'fairer, gentler sex' not torturers and sadists"

i'd like to think that none of us are supposed to be torturers or sadists. in fact, some are. i seriously doubt it's gender specific.

(note I said she appeared to be, not that she was)

enjoying the heck out of herself that is. im intrigued by the qualification. are you thinking it was an act?

i havent seen the beheading clip. hopefully i wont feel it necessary. ive seen more than enough brutality first hand. when i was reading about it yesterday, i was puzzled by an assertion (some analyst's comment) that the video did not represent or consist of a single time-contiguous event. if that's the case, it might explain blood splattering or lack thereof?

i'd like to think that none of us are supposed to be torturers or sadists. in fact, some are. i seriously doubt it's gender specific

Yes, but my point was that women are stereotypically seen as the nurturers.  Men are typically seen as hunter-gatherers, women as the nurturers, probably due to our ability to give birth to and nurse our young.

I said that she 'appeared to be' because to say that she was implies that I had some insight into the entity that is Lynndie that the rest of the populus didn't have..and I don't.  I'm merely stating my observations. My observations are that Lynndie was having a great time over there.

My mother's observations are that she 'a few sandwiches short of a picnic'.  I think that a very accurate description.