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Published on November 19, 2006 By dharmagrl In Misc

There are some people on our street who are moving house. 

Again.

This is the latest in a series of moves for them, and that's just at this base.  I don't know exactly how many times they moved at their last duty assignments, but I know that the moves were pretty frequent. Here, they've moved from on-base housing to off-base civilian housing, then they moved civilian houses twice before applying to come back on base again.  Now they're moving to another subdivision off-base, and I'm sure that before too long they'll be back in base housing again.

Why all the moves?  They say that they've had crappy neighbors.  When they lived off base, they said that the moves were partially due to neighbors but that landlord and community problems also contributed to their frequent changes of address.

I asked them once exactly what 'crappy' meant when applied to neighbors and landlords and communities.  They said that they received complaints for things like playing their music too loud, having parties that went on too late, not picking up after their pets and letting the yard pile up with feces, having vehicles in various states of disrepair and decay in the drive, letting trash pile up, moving people in who were not on the lease or who had no business living in military housing, letting their children run around unsupervised.  To hear them tell it, it wasn't THEIR fault; it was their neighbors who were the problem.  They didn't do many of the things they'd been accused of doing, and the thungs that they HAD done were being greatly exaggerated.  Besdies, they didn't see how what they chose to do in their own home was anyone else's business but their own and felt that they were being unfairly persecuted.

When they first moved onto this street I really felt that their tale of neighborly woe was true; that they'd simply been unlucky and weren't guilty of much (if any) wrongdoing.  I honestly thought that they were really nice people - good parents, responsible pet owners and just all around good folks.

That was before we had to live on the same street as them. 

It all started with their dog.  It got loose almost daily and took to crapping in anyone else's yard but it's own.  When it WAS tied up in their own yard it barked and howled incessantly, and they never seemed to take it inside.  The guy at the end of the street works mid shifts (nights) and it was getting to be almost impossible for him to get any rest, so he went over to their house, hoping to explain the situation to them and have them be good neighbors and work with him to a mutually acceptable resolution.

What he got was a mouthful of cuss words and the door slammed in his face.  He went home thinking that he'd just got them on a bad day and that once they'd calmed down they'd see where he was coming from and try to be a little more understanding.

He was wrong.  The dog was left out even MORE than it was before he complained.  In addition, they started having parties until 3 and 4 am; they turned a blind eye to their kids vandalism and bullying of kids years younger, they let their garbage overflow, dog crap pile up in the backyard and they had people who had no right to be on base living in their home and coming and going as they pleased.  They showed no respect for anyone else's property and possessions and if any of the other neighbors tried to talk to them about it they were laughed at, cussed at, and had the door slammed in their faces.  One of the families on the street even reported their kid being bullied and picked on after she'd gone over to ask them to keep it down at 2 am.

It wasn't any of the neighbors they'd lived next to before, it wasn't any of their landlords or even the community - it was THEM.  THEY were the bad neighbors.  They were guilty ones, they were the ones who were the problem.  I should have seen it earlier; I should have known that where there was smoke there was fire and I shouldn't have believed that they were pure as the driven snow.  Anyone who has had consistent issues with ALL (or most) of the communities/streets that they've lived in can't be completely innocent, there HAS to be some reason for their inability to get along with others.  At some point people like that have to understand that it's not 'them' that's the problem, it's us.  Or you, however you want to look at it.

I'm seriously tempted to throw a party when these people load up their last box and roll out of the street for the last time.  I'm not going to, it's the wrong thing to do and would make me no better than them.

However, I AM going to be glad to see them go.

Ecstatically happy, actually.


Comments
on Nov 19, 2006
K: I just found out on Friday afternoon that my drug dealing neighbor is finally getting evicted. She's due to move out at the end of this month, and I couldn't be more relieved. And her story is much like your neighbours. According to the housing manager, everyone was picking on her, we were all spying on her, and that the reason why she was having so many visitors as of late, was because she won some cash on a scratch and win. She couldn't even lie decently.

Music, parties, and us having to see her little girl left outdoors on the swingset late at night while she had her friends in 'congratulating her', was just a few items on the list. She always left her garbage in anything but a waste bin, and let her dog go outdoors unmuzzled (provincial requirement for a pit bull).

The dog I could overlook, but the drugs and child neglect were just too much. It took many letters, phone calls, and drop-ins at the housing office to do it, but now I know that the days of seeing random strangers peeing on our front driveway, or stumbling to cars that would screech away are over.

I'm only worried that she'll do one last thing in retaliation before she moves.

The sad thing is, it didn't have to end this way. She lived downstairs from me for more than 2 years just fine and without complaint, before she got into, and started dealing the drugs.

From one estatic woman to another,
Nicky.
I also apologize for rambling on....
on Nov 19, 2006
I guess I've been rather lucky...never had to live around bad neighbors. I lived in town until I was about 6 years old...and I don't remember anyone being dicks around there. Moved out to the country and it's exceedingly friendly out there for the most part...when strangers wave at you for no apparent reason. I definately like it.

Sorry about those people...but they'll probably move on like locusts once everyone gets pissed at them.

~Zoo
on Nov 19, 2006
Yep, they're right. It's always someone else's fault ya know.
on Nov 19, 2006

Nic:

I'm glad that she's on her way out.  I know how frustrated you were with living next to her, especially with Kole being exposed to that kind of behaviour (How is that little cutie, anyway?  I still have the postcard that she wrote her name on).  I'm keeping my fingers crossed that she doesn't retaliate too....

 

Zoo:

They're gone, and I'm glad.  It never ceases to amaze me that people who move from neighborhood to neighborhood (or town to town to town)  because they don't like/ can't get along with the community don't see that the issue isn't necessarily the community, it's THEM.  You have the right to live as you see fit, yeah....if you own your own property and are away from town and city ordinances or base regulations.  People don't seem to get that, and some of them develop persecution complexes.  The people who just moved did that; they started telling people that the government was picking on them unfairly by telling them that they couldn't have bonfires and that they couldn't just move people in to their home who had no business being on base in the first place.  They didn't see that everyone else had to obey the same rules and didn't understand that the rules aren't there just to persecute them. 

In the 14 years that I've known him, my husband has only told me to stay away from one person - the woman who just moved.  That speaks volumes, IMO.

Before they moved, the people across from us tried to tell them that the reality of the situation is this: if you have to keep moving because you can't get along with the community you're in, then the problem likely isn't the community...it's YOU.

They didn't get it.  No surprise there.

on Nov 19, 2006

Oh,  I do know what you mean!!  Our ratty neighbors moved out this late summer,  early fall!  I'm sooooo happy that your neighbors are leaving too!

Ours did everything yours did,  except they never swore at me!  One swore at everything under the sun,  but not to my face...

Here's a toast to your new found peace and quiet !

on Nov 19, 2006

I was talking to a friend one time about how lucky we have been with landlords.  It was right after I lost the job for which I moved my family 1000 miles after only 6 weeks.  When I told me landlord what happened, he gave me a few suggestions about day labor and told me to pay the rent as I could.  Even when the rent checks were regularly a few weeks late 3 or 4 months in a row, he didn't have a problem.

My friend told me that I was lucky with landlords because my landlords were lucky to have people like me as a tennant.

Sure, my music is too loud at times, but never late at night.  When our kids were little, yeah, the yards were strewn with little red wagons, balls were left out and such, but usually only in the backyard.   Our places have always been obviously lived in, but we also respected the neighbors rights to be the same way.

So, were we lucky with neighbors and landlords, or were we just the kind of neighbors people are lucky to have...  or does it usually amount to the same thing.

Just the fact that you know such details about your neighbors (the ones other than the stars of your article) tells me that you and your neighbors are probably lucky to have each other.

on Nov 19, 2006
I hate living close to people. The last apartment we lived in was on the bottom floor. Above us was occupied by three young Air Force kids(I refer to them as kids because all of their actions showed their maturity level). They were doing drugs and we knew it. My wife begged to contact the Air Force base to let them know of our woes. I should have let her.

A week later we woke up to the sound of rain, in our apartment. Aparently one of them took a fist full of pills and thought it would be a good idea to take a bath. He passed out before turning off the water. The best part was the local cleaning and restoration crew is called S.W.A.T. Not sure what it stands for but their shirts and hats only say S.W.A.T. These kids wouldn't open the door. SWAT wouldn't start work until they were sure there would be no more water. It took calling the police and the apartment manager to get in. Sadly the took 15 minutes to get there and all of their goodies were hidden when the apartment was entered.

I rent a house now and both of my neighbors are old. I'm not talking older, they are 80's old. One day they are going to pass and I do not look forward to that day. I cut one of their yards and I get homemade pecan pies and chocolate chip cookies. I clearly have the better end of the bargin.
on Nov 20, 2006
I am fortunate in having good neighbors now. But yea, I have had ones like that before.