Personally, I think the sick bastards that do that have lost their rights as people. If you can be that horrible as to do such acts to children, in fact, anyone..but children being the worst...then you don't deserve to be credited as being human. I know that's not a very "Christian" thing to think...but come on, that's just sick.

~Zoo

That's why though I question religion, I do find it comforting to think that there is an ultimate justice in the world. That people will be rewarded for their good deeds and punished for their evil ones.

That is another reason why I have a problem with the concept that no sin is worse than another. So when I stole a piece of candy when I was a kid that's no worse than someone torturing and murdering someone? That just doesn't make sense to me. That's one thing that I can agree with my Catholic upbringing. There are difference in sins. There are mortal sins and venial sins and they are completely different categories.

So when I stole a piece of candy when I was a kid that's no worse than someone torturing and murdering someone?

Of course they're the same...that's why you get a seat right next to Hitler in hell...stealing candy, *tsk* *tsk*   

~Zoo

As bad as the people in prison are, they seem to have some sense of a code of ethics.  And one of them is that child molesters/murderers do not deserve the death penalty.  They just deserve to die.

I don't like the act of needing to hurt someone for what they did to someone else. I have found that whenever I get that feeling and act on it, it has caused a lot of trouble in my life. I would go so far as to say it is the reason my relationship fell apart. God will handle what goes on with those people, just as he handles the victim of said abuse. Sometimes it seems like he gives us too much to handle, but I have always found the benefit after the fact, even if it is a long time afterward that I see what the benefit is. I know that you are more into Buddhism than Christianity, but I actually think that Buddhism is closer to what God wants for us than what Christianity usually brings out in people. I know that last sentence isn't very well formed, but I can't really think of a proper way to express what i was trying to say.

Anyway, I can see now pretty clearly that people should live and let live and not worry about any percieved injustices. Whenever I have fallen into the trap of worrying about those injustices, I have encountered varying problems in my life. When I trust God to take care of those things, he always has. If I had handled things differently between Melisa and I, even recently, things would be much better than they are now. I have many other examples of bad things that happened when I got involved in things that I shouldn't have, but that is the most recent.

If you can be that horrible as to do such acts to children, in fact, anyone..but children being the worst...then you don't deserve to be credited as being human

Yep.

That's one thing that I can agree with my Catholic upbringing. There are difference in sins. There are mortal sins and venial sins and they are completely different categories.

That's one of the things I've always thought was cool about Catholicism (with transubstantiation being the other one - spiritual cannibalism! How cool is that?!).  At least you know where you stand.

 

And one of them is that child molesters/murderers do not deserve the death penalty. They just deserve to die.

Like I said, I think that there's a special kind of hell for people who torture, rape, beat and kill little children. 

 

I know that you are more into Buddhism than Christianity, but I actually think that Buddhism is closer to what God wants for us than what Christianity usually brings out in people.

Actually I don't have much belief in Christianty at all.  Pretty much none, in fact.  I also don't believe in the Christian god, so it really doesn't matter to me what it wants. 

Anyway, I can see now pretty clearly that people should live and let live and not worry about any percieved injustices

I don't see how you can say that the death of a child is a 'percieved' injustice; to me there's no perception to it.  It's an injustice, plain and simple.  I also am not talking about vigilante justice, about punishing a criminal above and beyond what the law deems just.  I'm talking about there being a place for these people after death; about death not being the end for them. 

I think it's incredibly easy to talk about living and letting live when it's not your child or your kin that's been murdered or molested.  It's a whole different ball of wax when it IS your kid or your kin. 

I don't see how you can say that the death of a child is a 'percieved' injustice; to me there's no perception to it. It's an injustice, plain and simple. I also am not talking about vigilante justice, about punishing a criminal above and beyond what the law deems just. I'm talking about there being a place for these people after death; about death not being the end for them. I think it's incredibly easy to talk about living and letting live when it's not your child or your kin that's been murdered or molested. It's a whole different ball of wax when it IS your kid or your kin.

It is perceived because you really don't know all of the details. No-one really does, not even those directly involved. We never have all of the facts, and I find that when we jump to conclusions about anything, that mistakes get made. This is especially true with things like this with such horrible consequences, because the worse your perception of the injustice is, the less likely you will make your decision with a clear head.

I don't like the act of needing to hurt someone for what they did to someone else.

I disagree...if someone hurts a child or woman and I see or find out about it, they will not be safe around me. I will not stand idly by and wait for God to judge them...I'm going to kick their ass or worse, depending on what they were doing. I don't believe a jury in the world would convict me for taking someone out who killed a child and if there is, well, I don't care...my rage would be too much for me to stop myself. I am by no means a loose cannon, but when I get angry, I really get angry.

~Zoo

My first two children died before they were born. Do I feel that that was injustice? No. Even though the first one was killed by his grandfather who decided he didn't want his daughter to have my son, so he repeatedly punched her in the stomach whenever he could get near her. The second died because the chemo in his mothers blood was being filtered out for the baby, which that was leaving more chemo in the blood for the mother and was killing her. We eventually had an abortion, because she was slowly dying from the extra chemo in her blood.

It is true that I would have killed Antonettes father if I had the chance after what he did, but it is much better that I did not. It isn't my place to judge, and I know from experience that people will get what they deserve. Often when I try to be the one to deliver that punishment, I will also recieve punishment in retaliation for my actions.

It is perceived because you really don't know all of the details. No-one really does, not even those directly involved. We never have all of the facts, and I find that when we jump to conclusions about anything, that mistakes get made.

Who said anything about jumping to conclusions?  These men have been tried, convicted, had their appeals heard and in some cases, retried and re-convicted.  There isn't any jumping to conclusions going on.  There aren't any mistakes being made. 

I don't believe a jury in the world would convict me for taking someone out who killed a child

You might be surprised, but I get what you're saying.

My first two children died before they were born. Do I feel that that was injustice? No. Even though the first one was killed by her grandfather who decided he didn't want his daughter to have my son, so he repeatedly punched he rin the stomach whenever he could get near her. The second died because the chemo in her blood was being filtered out for the baby, but that was leaving less regular blood for the mother and was killing her. We eventually had an abortion, because she was slowly dying from the extra chemo in her blood.

It is true that I would have killed Antonettes father if I had the chance after what he did, but it is much better that I did not. It isn't my place to judge, and I know from experience that people will get what they deserve. Often when I try to be the one to deliver that punishment, I will also recieve punishment in retaliation for my actions.

First of all, I don't believe you.  If your girlfriend and your unborn child were being abused by her father like that, why didn't you a) call the police or get her the fuck out of there?  That's what most other people would have done.  That's what I would have done, anyway, and if I would have done it then I think a lot of other people would have done it too.   As for the chemo part of your tale of woe, well, what you said makes no sense at all.  There aren't many things I'm knowledgeable about, but the law and medicine are two things I know more about than the average person.   Chemotherapy isn't given during the first trimester of pregnancy, and whether it's given during ANY trimester depends on the type of cancer the patient is being treated for. What you said about the filtering and there being less regular blood just makes no sense whatsoever. It's not possible to filter chemo out of someone's blood to avoid it being passed on to a fetus - and what you mean by 'regular' blood I have no idea and to be honest I don't wish to know.  In the future, if you're going to lie, at least make them good lies, please, not ones that anyone with half a brain and access to Google can disprove in a matter of seconds.

I DO know that you're being insufferably sanctimonious and that I'm not going to tolerate either that OR blatantly obvious lies.

 

 

I didn't lie. I can't believe that you are accusing me of lying.

I won't ever talk to you again if you don't want me to. I don't need your approval.

Antonette lived in Conneticut, I met her in College and she got pregnant. I was going to move to Conneticut to live with her while she finished her degree in nursing. She had already finished her Chemotherapy before even the first pregnancy. It stays in your system for 5 years and it may have caused the same problem with the first baby if it was given the chance. Antonette told me that her doctor told her that she was getting so vilently ill because the baby she was giving the baby all of her good blood, and she didn't have enough iron left in her own blood to survive. She had anemia before she even got pregnant, and pregnancy made it worse. I am SOOOOOOOO angry that you would say that I lied about Antonette, I want to punch you. You don't talk about her that way. She was a great person, and I can't even believe you would say that. I have to admit that I can't even read what you wrote after the first two sentences or so, I am so mad.

Don't you dare call me a liar again. Especially about this. I don't lie. If I say something that I find out is untrue later, I will appologize, but this is not sometihng you can accuse me of you .... I hate you right now. She was a great person, and my children died, and you are sitting here accusing me of complete bullshit. How would you like it if your daughter died a vouple of years ago and I accused you of lying. What is wrong with you? What kind of person would take sometihng that is a personal tragedy and use it against them? I can't believe that I ever talked to you right now.

I want to punch you.

You're wanting to do my physical harm now?  That's nice.  I believe that's against the TOS, but I'm not sure.  I'll forward it to Karma or to Zoomba and ask them. 

Antonette told me that her doctor told her

OOoh here we go!  The last person who got caught in a lie here tried to change their story after they got caught too.  What you told me here in this response, is more than a little different than what you said before.  By the way LOTS of women get anemic when they're pregnant, and not all of them have abortions.  Chemo doesn't stay in your body for 5 years after the fact either.  The only reason physicians tell women to not get pregnant for 2 years after they've had chemo is because that's the time that cancer is most likely to reappear.  But you've covered your ass on that one by telling me that she told you that her doctor told her all this. And what about the dad that punched her in the stomach, huh?  What happened to that? 

What kind of a person would take a personal tragedy and use it against them, you ask?  Well, what kind of a person would fabricate tragic events to garner attention?  I know of a few.  One of them used to blog here; she even told us that her friend's baby was desperately ill in the hospital and might die.  My bullshit-o-meter was buzzing like mad over her just like it was buzzing like mad over you.

Hate me if you want to, I really don't care.  Think I'm a horrible person if you want to, I really don't care.  The people I give a fuck about know the truth, they know who I am and what I'm about.  You're nothing to me, so I don't give a rats behind what you think.

 

Hate me if you want to, I really don't care. Think I'm a horrible person if you want to, I really don't care. The people I give a fuck about know the truth, they know who I am and what I'm about. You're nothing to me, so I don't give a rats behind what you think.

It is sad that all do not know the truth about you.  I understand your anger.   I am sorry it had to come out.  Peace great lady.

It is sad that all do not know the truth about you. I understand your anger. I am sorry it had to come out.

Ach, not everyone is going to like me and I'm cool with that.

I'm glad that you understand my anger.  I'd just had enough of being pretty much told that I'm wrong for wanting people who beat babies to death to suffer for their crimes - not that I wouldn't have told him I didn't believe his stories had I not been angry; I'd have told him that regardless.  I just didn't need to hear 'you're wrong and I'm SOOOO much better than you are and here's why'.  I don't think anyone needs to hear that.

So I've got someone else who doesn't like me.  Big fekkin' deal.

Thank you for stopping by and lending me your ear and your support DG.

I don't know if I ever mentioned it before, but I originally went to school to be a social worker. I spent almost 2 years working at a home for abused women and children. It was awful. No need for details or stories, but in the end, I knew that I couldn't face that kind of sickness as a career. I will never forget.