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Published on January 25, 2006 By dharmagrl In Misc

My husband has been removed from the deployment list for next month.

His Operations Superintendent looked at his deployment and TDY history for the past year and a half:

We got here after spending a year apart whilst he did a Remote Assignment.  We'd been here three months when we learned that he was on the next rotation to the desert.  Five months after we got here, he got sent away for 2 weeks to desert warfare refresher training.  He was back for roughly three weeks, then got sent to the desert for a 6 month tour.  I had to have surgery so he got pulled from the team and sent home after 4 months.  They tried to send him to the NCO academy in late August, despite my physician saying that he needed to be home to help me for at least three months so I could heal properly.  We had to raise some hell to prevent that from happening....and as soon as I had got the all clear to take my brace off, they sent him away to the Academy for 6 1/2 weeks.  He had been back less than three WEEKS when he intercepted an email about the rotation leaving next month and saw his name on it. 

The Superintendent figured that it just wasn't right, what he was being told to do.  It just wasn't right to send him off again, especially given the amount of time he's spent away from home in the past 2 years. 

So, he's not going.  For now, that is.  I'm not going to believe it until I see the team get on the plane and Dave NOT being part of it.

You know, this career field is spread too damn thin.  AF Security Forces are basically infantry; they deploy a lot like the Army does - except more frequently and for shorter periods of time (for now, anyway.  That's all going to change soon).  Right now, we're so short manned that people are dropping retirement or separation paperwork left right and center.  People who had planned on making the AF a career, on staying in until retirement are getting out because they simply can't handle the frequency and duration of the deployments.  Others who had planned to stay in for the maximum amount of time their rank allows are retiring early because of the deployments.  Retainability is dropping, and that means that the people that are left behind are going to have to deploy more often.

Something's going to give.  Somewhere, somehow, something's going to give.  I'm not the only one saying it:Link

A Pentagon sponsored study has come to the same conclusion.  It concludes that the Army is near breaking point, that it's overextended and that the decision to begin reducing the force in Iraq this year was driven by the realization that the forces are spread too thin.

From where I'm standing, the study is right.  The squadron my husband belongs to is starting to implement a zero tolerance policy for people who come up with excuses as to why they can't deploy.  They're being given one year to get their issues fixed....and if they can't, they're being told to cross train or separate.  Basically, if they're not deployable, the squadron has no use for them. 

It's a decision I applaud.  I see people who haven't deployed in years; who come up with excuse after excuse as to why they can't go.  They sit back and let other people carry their weight for them and don't think anything of it.  I used to see them at the pool last summer, splashing around with their kids.  One of them actually apologized to me for my husband being gone, then went back to swimming with his kids.  Hehehe....that person should be scared right now. Very scared. Pretty soon, he'll have to deploy....and if he comes up with yet another reason why he can't, he's going to be asked to leave (the squadron, that is). 

'Either deploy, or work elsewhere' is the message that's being sent.  It's about darn time.


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on Jan 25, 2006
What I don't understand about the "spread to thin" reports is, I know of people in a lot of combat arms units who haven't ever gone, or even been on orders.

Either way, glad to hear you and D are getting a break (crossing fingers).
on Jan 25, 2006
People aint gonna like this, but I have one word to solve the problem.

DRAFT.


My dad says the same thing. he was drafted into the Navy in 1943 and found his 18 year old ass in the Pacific. He said he hated to go but it was a necessary evil. Maybe it is. I hate to say that with two sons, one 20 and the other 15, but maybe it is...
on Jan 25, 2006
No draft please. How about expanding the existing volunteer forces!
on Jan 25, 2006
No draft please. How about expanding the existing volunteer forces!


I know I'd like them to expand the National Guard force of Wisconsin by one retiree. :~D
on Jan 25, 2006

No draft please. How about expanding the existing volunteer forces!


Yeah, much better idea! There are a couple of major problems with the draft 1) People make a big enough stink as it is about sending people who volunteered off to war. I can't even imagine how people would be reacting right now if the military were forced rather than volunteer. 2) Most military personel that I know say they aren't for the draft because they don't want to depend on some sniveling kid who was forced into it not knowing anything about what he is doing to have his back in war. It is hard enough when it is something you wanted, signed on for and trained extensively for.

Also, now that there are females in the military, would the draft apply to women as well as men? If not, why?
on Jan 25, 2006
#7 by JillUser
Wednesday, January 25, 2006


Also, now that there are females in the military, would the draft apply to women as well as men? If not, why?


yep equal rights and all, how about some female military, after all they can kill as good as any man can.
on Jan 25, 2006
During the 2000 campaign Bush said the Army was TOO small and that was before the Iraq War. Please explain why Bush in five years has not asked Congress or included funding in five budget requests to increase the size of the Army?
on Jan 25, 2006
Well D I hope he gets to stay home this summer with you.

I'm all for the draft..for men. Sorry I was active duty and I can tell you...if you need someone to pick you up and carry you out of danger when you can't do it yourself..it won't be a little 110 pound chick.

Yeah we can do other non combat things, but whose gonna raise the kids?

I don't think there is anything wrong with a young man of 18 or so giving two years of his life to his country...

But that's me.
on Jan 25, 2006
During the 2000 campaign Bush said the Army was TOO small and that was before the Iraq War. Please explain why Bush in five years has not asked Congress or included funding in five budget requests to increase the size of the Army?


Oh REALLY col clueless? Then just what in God's name do you call this?


President Bush has increased defense spending by more than one-third – the largest increase in a generation.
The President has increased military research and development by more than 50 percent.
President Bush signed into law landmark legislation that better prepares our defense establishment to meet the challenges of the 21st century. A military that was designed for the challenges of the mid-to-late 20th century is being transformed into a lighter, more flexible, more agile, and more lethal force – one better able to deal with new threats to our national security.


Or this......


February 2, 2002, Saturday
By JAMES DAO (NYT); National Desk
Late Edition - Final, Section A, Page 1, Column 6, 1391 words
DISPLAYING FIRST 50 OF 1391 WORDS -In a military buildup rivaling that of the Reagan era, the Bush administration will call for increasing the Pentagon's yearly budget by $120 billion over the next five years, to $451 billion in 2007, according to Defense Department documents. By the end of the five-year period, spending to buy...


When do you plan on actually growing a brain?
on Jan 25, 2006
I'm all for the draft..for men. Sorry I was active duty and I can tell you...if you need someone to pick you up and carry you out of danger when you can't do it yourself..it won't be a little 110 pound chick.


There are plenty of little 110 lb guys too. I am not saying I am for women in the military because I'm not. I don't think it is something we should have ever feminazied ourselves into. But if women want equal rights, that is what they should get. Men can raise children. 18yr old girls can give a couple of years of their life as easily as guys. I don't see how you can argue it both ways. That is the problem with a draft in society today. I suspect if there was a coed draft we would have a sudden rash of draft age pregnancies. I know enough women in the military who signed on only to get pregnant when it was time for active duty.

Karen, I don't blame you for the "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude. I am glad it sounds like they are trying to do right by Dave. Hope he has a nice long stay at home. Sorry if I got your thread too far off course with the draft debate.
on Jan 25, 2006
I know enough women in the military who signed on only to get pregnant when it was time for active duty.


You wouldn't believe the number of pregnancies that occur right before a deployment here. Even with the unmarried women (nothing like an 18+ year commitment to get out of a year long one).

My husband's not a big fan of women in the military because of the experiences he's had. The women tend to take advantage of men's sympathy for things like menstruation and PMS, and they cry and try to whine their way out of responsibility, and they are constantly having bitchy cat fights (that's not to say that all women in the military do this, but he's encountered that a lot). He's in a medic company attached to an infantry unit right now, and of course that's all guys. He likes it much better, haha.

Dharma, this is very good news! I understand your apprehension, and you hate to get your hopes up only to have them dashed, but it sounds like there's a good chance this will work out.

PS - I TOTALLY agree that if you can't deploy you don't need to be in the military (the exception being MOSs that do their work in garrison).
on Jan 26, 2006

DRAFT

It's coming, I can feel it....

I know of people in a lot of combat arms units who haven't ever gone, or even been on orders.

Yep.  So I don't understand why we aren't utilizing all of our forces effectively and rotating them properly.  But still, the retainability rate would still suck and we'd still be left wanting for personnel.

 

He said he hated to go but it was a necessary evil. Maybe it is. I hate to say that with two sons, one 20 and the other 15, but maybe it is...

I'm thinking it is.  And I have 2 boys too...and a girl who's champing at the bit to join the Army.

 


I know I'd like them to expand the National Guard force of Wisconsin by one retiree.

I'd sleep better at night knowing that you were back in service, Ted-A-Rooni.

I've a feeling this conflict is going to do on for decades

Me too.  Dave said the other night that maybe this would be over soon and he'd be able to stay home for more than 6 months at a time.  I said that it wasn't going to be over soon, and then even if we weren't in Iraq we'd be somewhere's else.  I think that we can realistically expect him to spend the rest of his 6 1/2 years in the AF deployed for about half of that time.  Or maybe even more.

 

Most military personel that I know say they aren't for the draft because they don't want to depend on some sniveling kid who was forced into it not knowing anything about what he is doing to have his back in war.

Dave says that it's bad enough as it is, dealing with snivelling whiney kid who VOLUNTEERED for service, without having to deal with those who were drafted.

 

Bush said

Dude, I don't know where you think you are, but on MY blog there is NO Bush bashing for your own personal agenda.  If you want to talk about how unfair it is that some military personnel get depolyed again and again and again whilst others stay home and paint their toenails, then you're welcome to discuss that.  If you want to talk about your experiences in the military relevant to what I'm talking about, you're welcome to do that too (and I don't understand why you never seem to talk about them....did you not do anything?  Are you ashamed??).  If all you're going to do is rant on about how bad Bush is and call him names like Der Shrubinator without making any statements relevant to the thread, well.... you can fuck right off. I won't tolerate it.  Frankly dude, you're coming across as mentally challenged.  You're RainMan-esque with your inability to have a meaningful conversation about anything, but as soon as someone mentions Bush (or doesn't, as the case may be) you're full of statistics and can spout off for days about Bush this and that and the other.  Have you ever been diagnoised as a Savant?  I think you might want to ask your psychiatrist about that the next time you see him.  I the meantime, you have been warned.  Don't do it again - either behave yourself and follow my rules, or be banished.


I don't think there is anything wrong with a young man of 18 or so giving two years of his life to his country

I think that the discipline would do a LOT of people a LOT of good.  This touchy-feely crap that was intorduced int he 70's has got us into a hell of a mess.  A little discipline might help remedy that.

I suspect if there was a coed draft we would have a sudden rash of draft age pregnancies. I know enough women in the military who signed on only to get pregnant when it was time for active duty.

I happens all the time here too.  The nurses on the OB ward said they could always predict when they'd be busy by the dates the deployment orders came down.

My husband's not a big fan of women in the military because of the experiences he's had

Neither is Dave.  The Poison Dwarf is a good example of that. 

 

on Jan 26, 2006
drmiler

BUSH has NOT proposed to increase in the NUMBER of troops authorized in the Army and Marine Corps. That is the issue here not just dollars. However, Bush will have a big opportunity to spend lots of out tax money to the replace MOST of the equipment in the Army, Marine Corps, Guard and Reserve. Almost ALL of the major equipment has been destroyed in the Iraq War!
on Jan 26, 2006

BUSH has NOT proposed to increase in the NUMBER of troops authorized in the Army and Marine Corps.

*sigh*  You don't listen, do you?  I told you not to make this about Bush bashing, and you went a did it again. 

Are you sure you're not a savant?  Because they don't follow directions well either.

Go sit on the blacklist chair in the corner and think about what you did, mister.

on Jan 26, 2006
Go sit on the blacklist chair in the corner and think about what you did, mister.


Hehe.

Part of me feels sorry for him for all the abuse he takes. The other part of me realizes that he pretty much asks for it.
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