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Why are we starving ourselves?
Published on February 28, 2004 By dharmagrl In Diet
Ok, Smartaz made a comment earlier about Renee Zellweger being a little on the lean side. I agreed, and it led me thinking about other painfully skinny women in the media.

Lara Flynn Boyle immediately comes to mind, as do Courtney Cox Arquette, Jennifer Aniston, Calista 'I turn sideways and disappear' Flockhart (although she has gained a few lbs recently), Debra Messing (pre-pregnancy)...I know there are more, I just can't think of them right now!

So, what's the deal? I think they all look better a little bigger. Look at Jennifer at the start of 'Friends', the first series, compared to what she looks like now. She had breasts back then, not the flat sacks vainly trying to resemble boobs she has now.

What do men find so attractive about anorexic-looking women? I don't get it.

I've been on both ends of the scale - I've been heavy/chubby at 160lbs, (which, on my 5'2" frame looked a bit bigger) and at my lightest I was 104lbs. At 160 I had a 36 D bust and hips that'd knock you over if I accidentally brushed into you - and at 104 I had 32 B boobs and hips bony enough to hurt you with. I thought I looked better heavier. Even recently, when I dropped 25 lbs and went down to 108, I disliked the way I looked and pushed myself to get up to my current 115. I LIKE having a chest, a waist, hips...a shape...and so do most other women I talk to (guys too).

So why, then, do these women feel the need to starve themselves to be a perfect size 0? We're told that 'Hollywood' puts pressure on these women to be thin to the point of emaciation, but who in Hollywood is doing this? And why?

I realize too that personal preference plays a huge factor here. Some guys prefer women to be big, some chunky, some slender...but no-one I've spoken to finds the likes of Lara Flynn attractive in the least. If someone reading this does, would you please explain to me what the attraction is? Actually, will you (guys and girls both) leave me your thoughts on what size women are attractive? We'll take a little poll to see what JoeUser's opinion is..

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on Mar 02, 2004
i don't like 'em super-skinny like Flockhart or Flynn Boyle... they're just disgusting... But i don't want 'em fat either. I'm a butt and leg man myself. The size of her breasts don't matter much to me, as long as she has a nice butt. the way i figure it is, if i'm gonna stay in shape, then she needs to stay in shape, but there's nothing wrong with a woman having curves. Like so many other men, my concern is that she's gonna 'let herself go' after we get hitched.
on Mar 02, 2004

I think healthy girls are attractive.
on Mar 02, 2004
Anorexia, it's Phat!
on Mar 24, 2004
God, when will people like you grow up. I'm a US size 0, I'm 5'10". I love my food, I've never had an eating disorder, nor will I ever. I can't help being slim. Love the way you people like to label us, 'skinny', 'bony', 'disgusting'. Whereas fat people are 'curvy'. Well done, that's fair isn't it. And that Monique cow. Thank the Lord, I don't think she's ever had the nerve to grace my country with her presence. I'm thinking about writing a book too, 'Fat Women Are Ugly Slappers', think I'll get away with it? No, I didn't either. You're all hypocrites, and the ones who are obviously insecure.
on Mar 24, 2004
Outraged, you sound like you are the one who needs to grow up. If you are secure with yourself the way you are, you shouldn't be so hostile. Noone calls fat people curvy. A lot of average girls are called curvy. Overweight in the least = fat. If you are outraged about peoples' attitudes toward women with your body type, don't you think it a bit hypocritical to throw around terms like "fat" "cow" and "Fat Women Are Ugly Slappers"?

I think if you are naturally slim and healthy, there should be no problem. I know some women though who claim to be "naturally" slim but count every single calorie that passes their lips and exercises compulsively. There isn't anything "natural" about that. That is a disorder.

I think Dharma is genuinely interested in what other people find attractive. Some love the supermodel type, some like some junk in the trunk, some are into boobs, others concentrate on legs. To each his own. Nothing wrong in trying to understand.
on Mar 24, 2004
I think the hands are particularly attractive. If anybody cares:)

~Dan
on Mar 24, 2004
I do, thanks, Dan. You too ,Jill.
on Mar 26, 2004
I don't like the 'bag of bones' look. Sorry if it's insulting, but it is not healthy, that is, IF you have to force yourself down to that weight. If it's natural then its fine.
on May 01, 2004
Hmm this is a very thought provoking article dharmagrl, and it's obviously something people feel very strongly about. I've suffered from anorexia nervosa myself, and I think it's about a lot more than just appearance or weight, For me it was about control, it was a way for me to feel in control of something, when everything in my life was going crazy. I agree a lot of celebrities are just starving themselves to conform to what hollywood or the fashion industry tells them is considered "beautiful". What's scary about that is young girls (and boys!) emulate celebrities and they're just gonna get sick trying to look like them. They set a pretty shitty example.
Our ideas of beauty change decade by decade, the skinny thing started with twiggy i think, but it varies thru out world and in different cultures- I read someplace in Africa the more voluptuous a` woman the more attractive she is considered. The image of a curvy earth mother figure is evident in a lot of African and Aboriginal art. Plus from a biological point of view, curves would be considered more attractive as they indicate a fertile healthy woman who would make a good "mate".In general woman are getting thinner hips and bigger breasts because we have children later in life now. But the point is, you can only be how ur genetically predisposed to be, so there's `no point fighting it, you'll just make urself miserable. Screw the media, and just be thankful you have a fully functional body no matter what it looks like, keep it healthy, don't get obsessed with food and remember there's a whole world of people out there who don't even have enough food to keep themselves alive, it's kind of shallow to be so concerned with our appearance in light of how others are suffering.
Dyl, xxx
on Jun 14, 2004
I think that skinny is attractive. I'm 5'5'' and I want to be 90lbs. I think that the boney frame is beautiful because the fat rolls of my 124lb frame are sick.
I know everyone has their own opinions, but Lara Flynn, Calista, Renee. All of them are beautiful to me.
on Jun 16, 2004
I have NO idea what the conversions are - pre pregnancy I fluctuated between 54kg & 56kg, while pregnant I only weighed myself once (it wasn't something my doctor cared about) and I was 70.5 at 8months pregnant. Post pregnancy I went down to 50kg and now 6months later I think I might be at a normal 54kg again.

Size wise I have no idea what a 0, 2, 4 is - but the smallest size we have is an 8 in women's then you're into adolescent girls which I think goes up to 14 but is smaller then a women's 8.
Pre pregnancy I was a 10. During I was a 12 and post I can't fit an 8.

I'm 5 foot 3 (165cm) and I bought a bra the other day at a clearence sale which was a (14D) 36D but I'm a 10D (32?d)
(which is EXTREMELY hard to find without paying through the nose.

I don't diet - but I only usually eat dinner regularly - and the only exercise I get is runnng around after my 6month old and walking around the mall (walking to the mall & back)

I think Christina Ricci (opposite of sex, casper) is a fantastic role model for omen. I Loved Renae in Empire Records she's wasn't a waif.
and Kate Hudson -- she got fat dring her pregnancy and was proud of it -- and didn't go on an excessive crash diet exercise or liposuction to make herself perfect again.

That's great!!!
on Jun 16, 2004
I have NO idea what the conversions are - pre pregnancy I fluctuated between 54kg & 56kg, while pregnant I only weighed myself once (it wasn't something my doctor cared about) and I was 70.5 at 8months pregnant. Post pregnancy I went down to 50kg and now 6months later I think I might be at a normal 54kg again.

Size wise I have no idea what a 0, 2, 4 is - but the smallest size we have is an 8 in women's then you're into adolescent girls which I think goes up to 14 but is smaller then a women's 8.
Pre pregnancy I was a 10. During I was a 12 and post I can't fit an 8.

I'm 5 foot 3 (165cm) and I bought a bra the other day at a clearence sale which was a (14D) 36D but I'm a 10D (32?d)
(which is EXTREMELY hard to find without paying through the nose.

I don't diet - but I only usually eat dinner regularly - and the only exercise I get is runnng around after my 6month old and walking around the mall (walking to the mall & back)

I think Christina Ricci (opposite of sex, casper) is a fantastic role model for women. I Loved Renae in Empire Records she wasn't a waif.
And Toni Collette.

and Kate Hudson -- she got fat dring her pregnancy and was proud of it -- and didn't go on an excessive crash diet exercise or liposuction to make herself perfect again.

That's great!!!

Celebrities who look like real women -average women with average bodies and no surgery, enhancements- I love photos of celebrity mums out with their kids no makeup and look like they're child has kept them up all night because of xyz.. -- it's reality.
on Jun 16, 2004
oh gee - I just googled 50kg & 56kg (both of which is light in comparison to average - most of my thin friends are in the 60's and tallish) in pounds - 110.23 and 123.45 pounds

and yet Dharma's 160 - translates to 72kg JUST above average in Australia. Which makes me wonder what the average and below average sizes are if 160pounds is heavy/chubby and I was that when I was pregnant -- and I was ALL baby I put on no weight anywhere but belly ask anyone.

What is a size 0?? -- I thought 6 sounded small.
on Jun 16, 2004
The "average" female weight is about 144 pounds.  Of course, a tall person at 144 will be slimmer than a short person at the same weight.   The average pant size is a 14, so a 0 is very small.
on Jun 18, 2004
I've never had an eating disorder, nor will I ever. I can't help being slim. Love the way you people like to label us, 'skinny', 'bony', 'disgusting'.


I know that Outraged probably won't even read this, but I'll put in my two cents anyway. There is a big difference between people who are naturally thin and those that starve themselves. Those that are naturally thin look eactly that - natural. There's none of the gaunt cheeks and sunken eyes going on. When you make yourself thinner than you are supposed to be (meaning where your body is comfortable) you look unhealthy. My best friend is 5'11'' and weighs about 120 pounds. Which for her height is almost nothing. But she looks healthy. Another friend of mine is the same height and used to weigh about 150 pounds. She has dieted her arse off (literally) to get down to 120 and has never looked worse. It's one of those things. And we should all be happy with our diversity of shape. My naturally skinny friend would love my boobs whereas I'd love her arse. The grass is always greener.

I've suffered from anorexia nervosa myself, and I think it's about a lot more than just appearance or weight, For me it was about control, it was a way for me to feel in control of something, when everything in my life was going crazy.


Spot on Dylan. Me too. Mine started initially because I 'thought I was fat' but became an excellent focus for me when I didn't want to look at all the other things in my life. It's a horrible disorder which really does become your whole world. But at the same time, I think it may have saved me from doing something worse, so it may have been a lesser of two evils.

But as for what's attractive? It's whatever you find attractive. I don't like really muscly men. Some men don't like curves. Others don't like bones. As JD said, it has a lot more to do with personality. We've all had the misfortune of meeting those incredibly beautiful people who are really very ugly. So pretty, but not very nice. (There are also many beautiful people who are also lovely, and you therefore WANT to hate them, but you can't!). But you know what, the only important thing is that people who love you find you attractive for so many different reasons apart from your appearance. As Christina said 'I am beautiful in every single way' (can't believe I just quoted her!)
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