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Right on, girl! We have no right to treat other people, no matter their color or status, that way when they are under American military control, or for ANY reason for that matter. It's war time, and even though it's war, there are certain guidelines of moral conduct that must be followed. No human deserves to be treated like those poor prisoners were...

It just makes me sad.

I think this is a verrrry good thing.

Reply By: Texas WahinePosted: Friday, January 14, 2005I think this is a verrrry good thing.

gently I say.... having spent time in the brig 30 days, and time in same brig as a "chaser" and a guard.. I have to say its not a fun thing. I hate to see a serviceperson do time.... and I think being happy to see him found guilty is also sad.

btw I had to think abvout this reply a long time as I did not want to offend you,, I still do not want to and hope this does not offend,
Please do not let this become an issue between us as I like your stuff and respect your opinion, ok?

moderateman: I'm not offended. I just think that it's appropriate and neccessary for him to be punished for his crimes. He did some really messed up stuff and brought disgrace to the Army and to his country. He's a criminal.

Reply By: Texas WahinePosted: Friday, January 14, 2005moderateman: I'm not offended. I just think that it's appropriate and neccessary for him to be punished for his crimes. He did some really messed up stuff and brought disgrace to the Army and to his country. He's a criminal.

I agree totally............. I just think being happy about it makes me sad.k?

I'm not neccessarily happy . . . I just think it needed to be done, and I'm glad that it was. I can understand your feelings, though.

Dharma,

I think it was 9 0f 10.  But I am not complaining.

Ya think he needs to bend over, grab his ankles, and spell RUN? Sorry, it's an old jail joke...

have to say its not a fun thing. I hate to see a serviceperson do time.... and I think being happy to see him found guilty is also sad.

If he wants to call himself a 'serviceperson' he should behave in accordance with the UCMJ.  He failed to do that.  I'm glad he was found guilty, he absolutely deserved it.

My husband is what amounts to the military's version of a warden for the jail here on the base we're stationed at.  Graner's actions have directly impacted his career field, and that pisses me off...that's why I'm happy to see justice served.

My husband is what amounts to the military's version of a warden for the jail here on the base we're stationed at. Graner's actions have directly impacted his career field, and that pisses me off...that's why I'm happy to see justice served.

Me too. I'm sick and FUCKING tired of people thinking that just because you work in a jail or a prison you are sadistic and power tripping. I guess it's like a priest that resents being stereotyped as a child molester. I remember one guy who was a severe "brittle" diabetic that had a blood sugar crash and nearly went into a coma. He was nearly out and sweating and unresponsive. We called 911 for EMTs and I sat him up and had to almost fight him to put some glucose in him and bring him around. A few hours later his dear sweet mom called me a torturer. Go figure...

I'm sick and FUCKING tired of people thinking that just because you work in a jail or a prison you are sadistic and power tripping.

Exactly.  Not to mention the inmates using Graner's actions to their advantage...he totally deserves what he gets.  Depending on how much time he gets, there's a decent chance that he'll end up at Leavenworth where they house the worst of the military's worst.....and he's going to be the most picked on, bullied, hated inmate there.  He's going to be a 'dirty' cop/guard.....inmates hate those. 

No problems with this guy going to prison, just a shame that those in charge get off scott free, and in some cases are fronting up to the media with their fiened disgust.

Hello Dharma,

Long time, no see. How are you. Hope you do remember me.

You are still as great as before.

Interesting. Terrorists themselves don't at all adhere to the 'codes of moral conduct' regarding war. In fact, the Geneva Conference does not apply to those who hide behind civilian clothes, false handshakes and live grenades. Nor are the religious extremists to be protected while using innocent locals as "tools" for a hostile blowup.

Jihad itself is not a group of freedom fighters from one country, nor a group of revolutionary rebels. Jihad is about hatred, misplaced "religious" values and mental illness. A dog-collar around the neck isn't the beginning of what our opposition deserves.

Support our US troops.

A dog-collar around the neck isn't the beginning of what our opposition deserves.

Oh so we should sink to their level, huh?  Becsue they're boming us and killing our soldiers, we should be able to treat them like graner et al did and get away with it?  That's bullshit.

Support our US troops.

I do, actively, every day.  I won't say that I've done more to support this country than you have because I'm not going to make this a pissing contest....but I will say that I sacfrice and will continue to do so so that you and yours can enjoy the liberties and freedoms you've come to enjoy.

I'm married to a US serviceman, you see.  One that's deployed frequently and for extemded periods of time, one who knows and upholds the true meaning of 'service before self'.

Support our troops...yes, but as I said before, if they want to remain troops, they have to abide by the rules and regulations contained in the UCMJ.  If they don't do that...well, they're not better than the terrorists they're trying to stop.