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Published on April 28, 2004 By dharmagrl In Misc
I've been thinking about this for a long time, but having watched more MTV than usual recently, this has again come to the forefront of my mind.

Is Ebonics actually a language, or is it just an excuse to bastardize the existing English in use around the rest of the country? I'm not referring to made-up words so much, my emphasis is more on pronunciation and using words that are inappropriate for the situation - like saying "there was mad hotties at the mall today" insead of saying "there were lots of good looking people at the mall today". It seems to have permeated almost every culture and sub-culture - even my kids use it. My youngest asked me the other day when he was going to get his "hurr cut". I had to ask him 3 or 4 times what he meant, and then I realized he was saying "hair". He's been listening to too much Chingy.....even Usher seems to have got in on the act. He's no longer to be known as 'Usher" with the traditional pronunciation, he's now being called 'Urrsher'. Why? What was wrong with plain ol' Usher? Who started this habit of putting 'urrs' in words where they don't belong?

You know, I'm no language purist. I use as much slang and incorrect grammar as anyone else. I just believe in calling things as they are...

..and to me, Ebonics is slang.

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on Apr 28, 2004
Let me "AX" you a question.

I hate that one.

IG
on Apr 28, 2004
Let me "AX" you a question.

Exactly! That pisses me off too!!
on Apr 28, 2004
I studied Linguistics a lot. It was a big part of the "Language Acquisition" part of my "Teaching Second Languages and Cultures" education in college.

Lots of academics have studied Ebonics as a dialect. Compared to "Prescriptive English" (what we learn in grammar books,) Ebonics is very consistent in applying and following grammar rules. In a sense, it is more "logical" in structure than what some of us would consider to be "proper English."

That said: It would be pretty tough to get a job answering phones, or working with vast sections of the public if a person uses that dialect.
on Apr 28, 2004

I think language and thinking are closely related. I'm not sure which is the chicken and which is the egg, though. Big ideas require big words. Clarity requires precision.
on Apr 28, 2004

On a lighter note:

Link Warning: swear words, politially incorrect, popups, etc., but very funny....

on Apr 28, 2004
Sup ...DharmaGrl...
Gotta give you props on your pimpin read.....
much love to ya...

Interesting story...good job
on Apr 29, 2004
Yo, yo, yo,

Theys just need a little shizzle in they fazizzle!

Mad props, Grl!
on Apr 29, 2004
"You know, I'm no language purist. I use as much slang and incorrect grammar as anyone else. I just believe in calling things as they are...

..and to me, Ebonics is slang."

Wild applause...standing ovation.... I'm not a language purist either, but I at least expect to be able to understand what people are saying, and have them understand me. I find myself correcting my 14 yr old daughter a LOT these days...to me, that sort of language just makes you sound less educated, and as an educator, I expect all of my children to be proud of their education and their language, and to make proper use of it.

on Apr 29, 2004
I expect all of my children to be proud of their education and their language, and to make proper use of it.


My daughter got sent to speech therapy in second grade because she lisped. After 6 months, the lisp was gone and she was speaking really quite well. I listen to some of the slang terminology she uses now, and I want to send her back to speech therapy again!

on Apr 29, 2004
As a sidenote:
I was watching 'Cops' last night, and some kid got busted for posession after he had engaged the officers in a foot chase. He kept saying "What I did, man? What I did man?" (pronounced "whut I deed, mayun") over and over and over.....

...arrrrgghhhhh!
on Apr 29, 2004
I believe it is bastardization not language. It just makes me cringe. Slang is one thing but stuff like "ax you a question" and "what I did" just irk me to no end. I'm not expecting perfect English, just the basics. One pet peeve of mine though is "irregardless".........ugh! It just seems like laziness to me. Most other countries teach at least a couple of languages. We can't even handle one language here! We recently had a visitor from Italy who apologized for his English since he never spoke it before and he ended up speaking better English than most Americans I know. Same was true for when we went to Germany. It is just plain embarrassing!
on Apr 29, 2004
I also hate how corporations use intentionally misspelled words so they can copyright them.
on Apr 29, 2004
Well think of it this way. stupidity sells. When you have someone loud and making a scene or just acting plain ignorant people flock to see it because its funny to them. This is why the media goes and finds the dumbest, thuggish, non talking person on the block. its sort of like comic relief.

Some of it also can be just what people expect. Ive heard some people attempt to call ebonics on college professors and the like who have never ever set foot in a ghetto anywhere (all the time they said it correctly, and the person doing the blame was in the wrong) If you go in expecting someone to act or sound a certain way your mind is going to go over every single detail to find it, even if it has to imagine it.
on Apr 29, 2004
good article.
on Apr 29, 2004
There's a really interesting book by Jack Womack called Random Acts of Senseless Violence that shows a girl's change in vocabulary mirrored by the onset of societal degeneration. You might want to check it out.
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